Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Christopher Nolan: A self-serious mannerism, Part 2

This is the second part of a two-piece article. The first part can be read here.

Part 2

Christopher Nolan is obviously a very talented, careful craftsman. Technically, he also has a fine editorial instinct. Together, these elements combine to create slick, polished films; they sweep us along, they impress us on a vague, surface level. Often, they move at such a pace, with such confidence, that we can overlook certain flaws.

Such confidence isn't surprising. Nolan isn't new to film-making. From an early age he has had access to filming equipment. In Monday's Telegraph, Will Lawrence notes that “Nolan’s first fumblings as a film-maker came courtesy of his father's Super 8 camera. Together with his older brother Matthew, he made mini-epics starring their Star Wars action figures.”

The same article begins with a conscious comparison to Batman himself: “At his home near the Hollywood Hills, a single-storey abode protected by a black iron security gate … [Nolan] works in a cavernous garage, his own version of the Batcave, which is brimming with top-of-the-line technology: his edit suite.”

The picture painted here is quite revealing. The article goes on, contextualising Nolan's career against the backdrop of relative wealth and the ease with which he's been able to pursue a career in the industry. His father was an advertising copywriter and his mother a flight attendant; he grew up in Highgate, London and Chicago; he has joint citizenship of the UK and the USA.

All of this doesn't mean much in itself, though it might account for why there is a certain vacancy in Nolan's work. We should note at the outset here that being working class does not necessarily preclude an investment, artistic or otherwise, in working class issues. Nevertheless, there seems to be a tendency in Nolan's films, conscious or not, to set about rather vague issues quite removed from material life.

There is nothing particularly wrong with this, but at times there is an undeniable air of self-importance at work in Nolan's films – especially in his biggest three earners, his two Batman films and now Inception. The Dark Knight, the film that announced the director as a kind of hip intellectual for mass consumption, may be the most self-serious, artistically pretentious film made in recent memory.

Batman is a character whose fundamental qualities – the very things that make him Batman – are the stuff of fluff, of non-seriousness, of unavoidable and indisputable silliness. Nolan, however, thinks he can make plausible psychological drama out of a multi-millionaire who dresses as a bat at night to defeat petty street criminals. This is simply not reasonable.

There is of course nothing culturally inferior or invalid about Batman, neither as a character nor as a multi-media phenomenon with a loyal cult following. That is not to say, however, that psychologically serious art can be made of him.

Similarly, Nolan's Gotham City purports to parallel our own real world. It seemingly hasn't occurred to the film-maker that, like its protagonist, The Dark Knight's setting cannot possibly represent any kind of material life with any sort of seriousness, because the very things that make Gotham City what it is are devoid of social complexity. There is no flux in Gotham – crime is a constant and so Bruce Wayne is able to wage perpetual war on criminals without any sort of serious concern for the social and historical conditions that affect crime and everything else in society – which is why even on an allegorical level the film falls flat.

Many films do not hold up to rigorous analysis, but then many films aren't meant to. Tim Burton's Batman films, Batman (1966) and Batman Returns (1992), were stylish and dark, while Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever (1995) and Batman & Robin (1997), which were criticised for camp overkill, were removed from reality even further; none of these four films took the character or the universe seriously, none of them ever presented Bruce Wayne as a psychologically nuanced character, a tortured superhero, etc.

The Dark Knight is all mannerism; following the success of its predecessor, it expands upon the more diluted pretentious elements of that film. Beyond its careful, commercially judged bleakness and surface cynicism, the film is intellectually bankrupt. And regardless of the character's appeal to people, Batman ought to be intellectually bankrupt; he cannot be otherwise, so silly are his core prerequisites.

But Nolan will have us think differently. In an interview in October 2008, he remarked, “It’s funny, I’ve been asked a lot about the politics of the film. I dismiss all such analogies. It really isn’t something we think about as we put the story together.” This may well be true, but with any work of art there are elements that find their way into the final product that in some way reveal certain agendas, conscious or not. This is because the process itself of making a film is not removed from material commercial and social pressures. In the same interview, for instance, Nolan notes the “heightened reality” of The Dark Knight and “the gritty realism in the textures of it”.

Then there is the film itself. Shot on location – primarily in Chicago – the film makes use of real-life cityscapes, presenting them in grand, epic fashion (Nolan has become fond of extreme aerial establishing shots). There is no attempt to distance the fictional world of Gotham from material reality. This is in stark contrast to the Gothic excess of Burton's films or the cartoon camp of Schumacher's. (Interestingly and tellingly, the most faithful and perhaps finest screen adaptation of Bob Kane's 1939 creation is the 1960s series and film, Batman, starring Adam West.)

In July 2008, Cosmo Landesman wrote in The Sunday Times that “the clean-cut minimalism of monumental buildings and glass skyscrapers” in The Dark Knight evoked “the deathly pall of 9/11.” Listing several examples, Landesman goes on: “This heavy-handed, wearisome 9/11 connection is the artistic equivalent of a fake tan: it provides the film with instant, spray-on seriousness. For art-house chaps such as Nolan and his screenwriter brother Jonathan, it’s a way of showing that they haven’t just made a big, dumb summer blockbuster: oh, no, they have made a big, thinking blockbuster that engages the masses in important issues.”

This is entirely true. But as would be expected from a film-maker who claims these kinds of things are not conscious, in an effort perhaps to encourage ambiguity or simply skirt the issue – box-office success buys more than anything the power to keep schtum about your own work – the film is confused, as a result of both the unavoidable flaws a serious treatment of silly material will bring and Nolan's general outlook as a whole.

Inception, Nolan's latest film, took $60.4 million in its opening weekend. It isn't quite as self-important as its director's Batman films. Carrying the promotional baggage of a 'thriller set in the mind itself', it deals with information retrieval via dream-penetration in a futuristic setting. Leonardo DiCaprio heads a terrific cast that includes Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Marillon Cotillard, Ellen Page, Tom Hardy, Ken Watanabe and Cillian Murphy; Tom Berenger, Pete Poslethwaite and Nolan regular Michael Caine all have smaller roles.

As mentioned in the first part of this article, the most effective moments in Nolan's films are to do with the sensory experience of watching a narrative unfold with a certain sense of purpose and drive. In this respect, Nolan's films are at their best when expositing or concluding a lot of information at once, which would explain his recurring tendency for parallel narratives, the kind that require much cross-cutting – think of the enthralling, involving momentum with which the narrative hurtles towards Christian Bale's “Abracadabra” moment in The Prestige.

In narrative terms, Inception isn't as rich as that film, dealing instead with a fairly linear Chinese box structure that works well in the context of the film's dream-within-dreams theme. But at times it feels just as exhilarating; its action set-pieces might be problematic in themselves – Nolan has much to learn in simplified choreography – but there's an engaging sense of rhythm and tension as the key moments of each all intertwine: the otherwise banal moment of a motor vehicle falling into water is given much significance in the wider context, and Nolan reminds us of it often.

Montage is Nolan's greatest asset. It's key to both the narrative structure and therefore the thematic fabric of The Prestige and, it must be said, it often helps disguise the vacuousness of his Batman films and Inception, and perhaps even the flaws of Memento, by making those films easier viewing.

In this way, Nolan's films are for the 'thinking man' in the same way a jigsaw or a word-search puzzle may require some lateral thought. But this does not make his films any more serious because of that.

Inception has its own problems. From its outset, it courts lofty airs of ostentation; part of this is actually due to the way it is edited, but a bigger part of it is the same confused artistry that was at work in the Batman films. Nolan might have a certain degree of cleverness about him, but he's not a genuinely great thinker. His limitations as such inevitably affect his art.

The Dark Knight offered confused mutterings on its Joker character being described as a terrorist, as an anarchist, as chaos personified and therefore the 'pure embodiment of evil', when in fact terrorism and anarchism are grounded in complex histories and ideologies and therefore quite beyond the nebulous notions of good and evil. It consciously includes comments on, but ultimately skirts over – because indeed it has nothing concrete to say on any of them – the police, vigilantism, crime as social disease, etc. Its alarming conclusion is the need for a Batman figure in society, for a multi-billionaire whose wealth funds the arms trade as well as his own personal vigilantism; the film offers no stance on or even a critical investigation of crime. With any kind of serious look at this kind of material, it isn't difficult to see the sorts of problems and contradictions that manifest as a result of a lack of proper thought.

In the same way, Inception is about retrieving information from people by illegal methods. The central spin on this has its protagonist plant information, in its 'purest form', by burying it into an unsuspecting person's subconscious, thereby changing their entire outlook on life. This is getting into the frankly foggy notion of consciousness being removed from material life, but regardless of that, the film sanitises criminality at a government and corporate level. The central mission in Inception is conceived and carried out to serve the interests of a ruling elite; that it plays essentially as a larger Maguffin to DiCaprio's personal arc doesn't change that.

All of this unfolds with a mild, irritating air of self-importance. Peppered throughout the film are observations regarding the idea of dreams and ideas. “You never know how a dream starts,” a character says at one point. At another point: “Once an idea grabs hold of you, it's almost impossible to stop it from taking over you entirely.” These are quite banal offerings from a so-called intellectual or serious thinker. No real analysis is made of how ideas emerge and catch on; the vague conclusion it seems to come to is that ideas are somehow contagious and therefore dangerous, and can be planted on a personal level; wider questions of social context are conveniently ignored.

Indeed, Inception is at its best when dealing with fluff, with impossibly clever, imaginative dream-thieves in conversation with one another, portrayed in slick fashion. Its cast perform with a great deal of panache – there are several convincing chemistries going on here, most notably that between DiCaprio and Page, and Gordon-Levitt and Hardy – and there is a humorous touch missing in Nolan's less unassuming works. (The film's best recurring gag has its characters awaken to the sounds of Edith Piaf while the ghost of Marillon Cotillard, star of La Vie en Rose, haunts their slumber.)

In themselves, the special effects are also very impressive. Oddly, though, even here Nolan's artistic assumptions strike a rather confused cord. Justifying the film's $160 million budget, Nolan said, “What I found is, it’s not possible to execute this concept in a small fashion. The reason is, as soon as you’re talking about dreams, the potential of the human mind is infinite. And so the scale of the film has to feel infinite. It has to feel like you could go absolutely anywhere by the end of the film. And it has to work on a massive scale.”

This is fair enough, but at times it seems Nolan, much like his protagonist Dom Cobb, has quite a tame imagination. For all his words on the potential of the human imagination, Nolan's Inception feels oddly flat and unimaginative – its more impressive set-ups are derived from Escher and elsewhere. More importantly, though, on the matter of a work that deals with the human imagination logically translating to a big budget, Nolan is simply wrong.

Due to the nature of the script, all of the film's action set-pieces take place in dreamland, and so it doesn't seem a stretch to say that Nolan has constructed his narrative around them; or in other words, the dreams seem there only to allow for big-budgeted spectacles. A. O. Scott in the New York Times writes, “Nolan’s idea of the mind is too literal, too logical, too rule-bound to allow the full measure of madness.” Inception is undone by its own premise, then, or more specifically, by its maker's own limitations.

Alongside the likes of the Brothers Quay or David Lynch, alongside Jan Svankmajer or even Michel Gondry, Inception is decidedly one-dimensional in its visual texture and narrative power, and perhaps telling of an artist not quite as imaginative or clever as he thinks.

>>> idFilm forum links: CHRISTOPHER NOLAN, INCEPTION.

11 comments:

  1. “Batman is a character whose fundamental qualities – the very things that make him Batman – are the stuff of fluff, of non-seriousness, of unavoidable and indisputable silliness. Nolan, however, thinks he can make plausible psychological drama out of a multi-millionaire who dresses as a bat at night to defeat petty street criminals. This is simply not reasonable.”

    I don’t think people really took Batman as seriously as you’re suggesting. Everyone recognises it as ‘a comic book film’ and not as ‘a plausible psychological drama’.



    ‘Similarly, Nolan's Gotham City purports to parallel our own real world. It seemingly hasn't occurred to the film-maker that, like its protagonist, The Dark Knight's setting cannot possibly represent any kind of material life with any sort of seriousness, because the very things that make Gotham City what it is are devoid of social complexity. There is no flux in Gotham – crime is a constant and so Bruce Wayne is able to wage perpetual war on criminals without any sort of serious concern for the social and historical conditions that affect crime and everything else in society – which is why even on an allegorical level the film falls flat.’

    I’m pretty sure crime has (and possibly always will be) a constant in reality, too, though it is an exaggerated problem in Gotham, for the same reason Batman is an exaggerated character. What do you mean by social and historical conditions and how would these affect Batman? I don’t quite follow you.


    ‘none of them ever presented Bruce Wayne as a psychologically nuanced character, a tortured superhero, etc’

    Actually, that was indeed part of Tim Burton’s ideology. In his book Burton on Burton he talks about how interested he was in the psychological aspect of Bruce Wayne, how dark and gritty the story actually is, and how those aspects originally drew him towards the story. Of course, Burton’s films still very much had a comic-book feel to them, but if you look at how Batman was largely presented in the media up to that point, Burton has actually taken quite a big step towards presenting Batman as ‘a psychologically nuanced character, a tortured superhero.’ And if you read many of the later comic books, he’s very much presented in this way too. Nolan simply takes this a step further, which (to me) seems to be moving with the times. More and more comic book narratives are being enjoyed by older audiences, and therefore they are represented in a different way.


    ‘the film makes use of real-life cityscapes, presenting them in grand, epic fashion (Nolan has become fond of extreme aerial establishing shots)’

    Agreed. I love his use of cityscapes. Particularly impressive when viewing at the IMAX.


    ‘Nolan's films are at their best when expositing or concluding a lot of information at once, which would explain his recurring tendency for parallel narratives’

    Agreed. I personally enjoy this type of story telling. I find it more of a challenge to keep up with what’s going on, as opposed to a linear narrative, and I suspect that these non-linear narratives, which require a bit more brain power, are one of the main reasons Nolan is being classified as a ‘thinking man’s’ director, not mainly because of the issues he raises in his films.


    ‘Nolan's films are for the 'thinking man' in the same way a jigsaw or a word-search puzzle may require some lateral thought. But this does not make his films any more serious because of that.’

    Define what you mean by ‘serious’. Just because you have to think about something, doesn’t mean you have to think about something serious. Calling something ‘serious’ and ‘thought-provoking’ are two different things in my head.


    (two part response due to word count restrictions...)

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  2. ‘No real analysis is made of how ideas emerge and catch on; the vague conclusion it seems to come to is that ideas are somehow contagious and therefore dangerous, and can be planted on a personal level; wider questions of social context are conveniently ignored.’

    Why does everything need a wider social context? And what are these issues of social context again? No real analysis of how people can enter other people’s dreams is offered either – we just have to accept the science. In the film, they obviously have more knowledge about the brain and the way it dreams. I don’t want to sit through a science lesson about how they know all this stuff. In the context of the film, I trust their theories to be true. I didn’t come out of ‘Toy Story’ thinking ‘ok, so they said toys come to life when people aren’t looking but where is the analysis of HOW this happens?!’ (Sorry, I know that’s an extreme and very sarcastic comparison, but it demonstrates my point.)

    I often love films because they are removed from wider social contexts. It’s a film. It’s a two and a half hour microcosm of a world. It’s one story. It’s a ‘what if…?’ situation and it doesn’t have to fit in with the logic and reality and the society of the real world, because it very obviously isn’t the real world. I don’t need to know the nitty gritty details about every single idea suggested in a film, I just need to know enough to understand it and get to the core of its narrative. That may seem like a completely flaky and misunderstood answer to you.


    ‘For all his words on the potential of the human imagination, Nolan's Inception feels oddly flat and unimaginative’

    Yes, I do agree with this point. But I think it’s for a reason. In the plot, they are trying to convince the people in the dreams that they are not dreaming. Therefore they can’t go too over-the-top about the possibilities within a dream. I thought they did a fair job at combating this when Ellen Paige’s character is receiving her training. A bit more imagination is used in those scenes.


    “Nolan’s idea of the mind is too literal, too logical, too rule-bound to allow the full measure of madness.” Inception is undone by its own premise, then, or more specifically, by its maker's own limitations.

    See my point above. Also, madness and imagination are very different. This comment all falls on the viewer’s perception of Cobb’s mental state. And Nolan wouldn’t want to make it too easy, would he?


    I must say, Michael, that your main criticism seems to be that these films feel too ‘self important’. Surely, though, much of that is due to your own perception of them. I didn’t feel that they were self important. Sometimes I feel that you read too much into a film, looking at the details and the wider picture until you focus too far in and too far out. You are obviously writing these articles with an extremely critical eye. I, on the other hand, probably represent ‘the masses’ a bit more. I haven’t studied film, though I don’t follow trends and I do have standards (or so I believe), but I also judge a film by my gut reaction to it. Sometimes I can dissect what has caused that reaction in me, but sometimes I just don’t want to, because I don’t feel the need.

    NOTE: this is an unedited first-reaction post.

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  3. (That last paragraph is a bit of a disclaimer; the above it basically just a rant of my thoughts.)

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  4. I’m pretty sure crime has (and possibly always will be) a constant in reality, too, though it is an exaggerated problem in Gotham, for the same reason Batman is an exaggerated character.

    By 'constant' I don't mean 'always in existence', I mean 'fixed, not in flux with other social factors'.

    Crime is affected by and connected to factors such as wealth and poverty, employment, education and so on. Bob Kane's creation is a silly superhero who dresses as a bat and fights crime. That's its core component and so in order for it to work it can't go into any of the other things that affect crime. It's silly childish stuff. No amount of dressing can hide this fact.
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    Nolan simply takes this a step further, which (to me) seems to be moving with the times. More and more comic book narratives are being enjoyed by older audiences, and therefore they are represented in a different way.

    This isn't wrong, but it's not refuting anything I've said re the impossibility of Batman being serious art due to fundamental silliness.
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    Define what you mean by ‘serious’.

    By 'serious art' I mean art that actively engages with real life, with real issues and concerns; works of art are products of incredibly complex processes and no work of art is removed from material life (you can't make art in a social or historical and therefore a political vacuum).

    That doesn't mean non-serious art, like the 1960s Batman series for instance, is culturally inferior or illegitimate.

    Nolan gives his treatment a conscious air of seriousness, and therefore importance (serious art 'has something to say about material life' because it engages with it, investigates it, etc.).
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    Why does everything need a wider social context?

    It doesn't. I'm not giving any critical attention to Teletubbies or Power Rangers here because neither of them have ever asked for it. But Nolan gives his films a conscious air of seriousness, and so as such he deserves further attention. If after a more careful examination of his films he's found severely lacking, he deserves to be criticised for it. Buzz-phrases like 'intellectual' or 'thinking-man' are completely unwarranted here. I think Nolan has a certain knowledge of various things - no doubt informed by his education and his class interests - and he likes to give the impression (or thinks he's genuinely dealing with such things in a clever, sincere way, in which case he's simply dumb) of important 'issue-raising'.
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    I often love films because they are removed from wider social contexts.

    Non-serious art, you mean? Me too. There's no artistic obligation to make social realist works. But when you try and dress Batman up as something he isn't and cannot ever be, then you're asking to be read in a certain way.

    Why has The Dark Knight been embraced so much as the greatest superhero film of all time? Is it any coincidence that it also happens to offer vague mutterings on the real world, on vigilantism and the police and Bruce Wayne/Harvey Dent; to offer 'depth' and 'meaning' and 'contemporary political relevance' to characters like The Joker? If you genuinely believe all this isn't meant to be taken seriously, then why is it even there in the first place? It's just mannerism, dressing.

    Nolan 'merely moving with the times'? What 'times'? Since when has it been artistically acceptable to pretend Batman is anything beyond a crime-fighting superhero with absolutely no character dimension? The times maketh the man; Nolan's approach to film-making happens to be in line with Warner Brothers' commercial interests. That's why he's making these films and why, moreover, he's allowed to make them in the way that he is.

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  5. madness and imagination are very different. This comment all falls on the viewer’s perception of Cobb’s mental state.

    No, that quote is equating madness with 'chaos', with a 'lack of order', with the irrationality of dream logic, as opposed to clear-cut conveniences that make it easy for Nolan to make a tedious action film in the guise of a 'clever dream film (OMG!)'.

    It's not saying Cobb is mad and therefore his dreams are too sane.
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    I must say, Michael, that your main criticism seems to be that these films feel too ‘self important’. Surely, though, much of that is due to your own perception of them. I didn’t feel that they were self important.

    You genuinely don't feel there's something inherently self-serious, something resembling bloated importance, in dressing up a crime-fighting superhero with absolutely no character dimension as something beyond that, in giving the impression of engaging with reality?

    Sometimes I feel that you read too much into a film...

    Haha, it's not as if I'm focusing all my critical attention on Hot Tub Time Machine or the latest Final Destination film; I do believe Nolan's too confused to genuinely think his films are masterworks of reflective philosophy, but it's this very confusion - a result of a lack of proper thought (he's a decent craftsman but not a great thinker, in short) - that results in films that sit on the edge of seriousness and non-seriousness. That's not, please note, the same as saying they sit on the edge of fantasy and reality; many fantasy works can and do have allegorical significance. Batman falls flat, however, even on an allegorical level because its view of the world is completely one-dimensional. If you think otherwise, please give examples of how it effectively mirrors or connects to the real world.

    And if you think The Dark Knight is a great film without being serious art, please tell me why... I've asked people before and all their argument has boiled down to is the same thing I'm arguing against, which they seemingly weren't aware of: that the Batman character in The Dark Knight is 'well-written' (how so? in what way is Nolan's Batman any more or less genuinely nuanced than Burton's or Schumacher's? answer: he cannot be!) and so on...
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    ...looking at the details and the wider picture until you focus too far in and too far out.

    Dunno what that means.

    I don't think an evaluation of art should boil down to what people call a 'gut response'; that actually struggles to be anything other than passive consumption. It's like being taken in by a well-done Nike advert without considering wider ethical concerns to do with slave labour and so on.
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    You are obviously writing these articles with an extremely critical eye.

    No more or less critical than I ought to be, I think, as someone who takes art seriously. And as we've established, I'm not giving any sort of critical analysis of Teletubbies here. I'm taking a look at a very popular film-maker who for whatever reason has received praise as an intellectual; and I'm arguing that he isn't, remotely.

    I'm being no more or less critical than the same people who are acting on their 'gut reaction' and deciding upon this 'gut reaction' that these films are 'good'.
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    ...but I also judge a film by my gut reaction to it. Sometimes I can dissect what has caused that reaction in me, but sometimes I just don’t want to, because I don’t feel the need.

    So consumption of and response to art is merely reduced to momentary sensory perception. I may as well sit in my room and take acid.

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  6. Ok, I understand what you're getting at a bit more clearly now. Thanks.

    I'll respond tomorrow when I have more time.

    But not sure I agree with your last point. Momentary sensory perception has its place with art - its part of the enjoyment. Movies aren't just art: they're entertainment. It's up to the individual as to the extent they respond to both those aspects. Of course I agree that reflection is a good thing. I don't think anyone with any degree of intellegence can truly be completely passive when it comes to any form of art.

    I guess what I was trying to say in my previous point is that I judge films by how much I enjoy them. One level of my enjoyment of a film is instant and doesn't require reflection.

    On a side note, I don't think 'The Dark Knight' is the best superhero film of all time. I really enjoyed the first time I saw it (again, at the IMAX, which always makes the experience better for me), but the second time round I was a little bored. Probably because of many of the reasons you've identified, mainly that it doesn't follow through with its commentary. Though I still enjoyed so many of the other factors - the acting, the characters (I still love Batman, even if you think he's dull), the control of the camera and the cityscapes...

    I'm going to see Inception again next week. Inevitibly my second reaction will be different from my

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  7. Momentary sensory perception has its place with art - its part of the enjoyment.

    Sure it does. I never said otherwise. I'm arguing against the reduction of the consumption process to momentary sensory perception, because like I said I may as well sit in my room and take acid. With this method, we 'reflect' upon art in the same way we may 'reflect' upon a party two nights ago.

    And of course there are specific, material factors that affect this kind of response, just as they would affect our experience of and reflection upon a party: where you're sitting in the cinema, distance to screen, comfort of seat, temperature of cinema, how tired you are, how long ago you last ate, etc. All of these will affect your general patience, whether or not you can endure a film, etc. It's an unavoidable part of art consumption but reducing the experience to just that at the expense of active engagement with the ideas a film contains struggles to be anything but passive consumption.
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    Movies aren't just art: they're entertainment.

    I've never understood this argument.

    'Entertainment' is not a binary opposite of 'art'. I'm talking about serious and non-serious art; it's all art. Teletubbies is art as much as Chekov is.

    It seems a vague justification of the 'gut response' method, to me; but how a film affects you in this way depends on how you feel at the time.

    'Did you see The Dark Knight?' 'Yeah, it was great.' 'How so?' 'Oh, I just enjoyed the experience of sitting in the cinema seeing it on IMAX.' 'Oh, yeah. I saw Power Rangers on the IMAX last week... incredible experience.'

    What we're saying we're enjoying here seems to be the experience of consuming art, not the work of art itself.

    Another reason why I don't understand the whole 'entertainment is not art' argument is any work of art - and the experience of consuming it - ought to be fun, in itself; our engagement with it ought to be fun, entertaining. Even if we conclude that it's 'dull', the process by which we arrive at that conclusion is part of being capable of such a process. In this way, any film is entertaining... though only if we don't reduce the process to momentary sensory perception, which would allow for and validate any emotional transient response, just as some acid trips are 'good' and some acid trips are 'bad'.
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    I don't think anyone with any degree of intellegence can truly be completely passive when it comes to any form of art.

    I agree - that sort of reduction I'm talking about is very, very difficult because we're engaging with a film in other ways even if we're not conscious of it. And I'm not saying you're sitting hypnotised in the cinema and merely going with your gut instinct, I'm just pointing out the fallacies of that sort of thinking and the argument that comes with it. Which brings us back to why people might praise The Dark Knight...

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  8. Oh, and just to clear things up, I never said Batman was 'dull'. I said he's unavoidably silly (which he is) and that if you wanted to make a film that is recognisably about Batman, the essential components are unavoidably silly (which they are).

    Such silliness makes him one-dimensional, which he is. That doesn't mean he can't be enjoyable though, or entertaining.

    He's still my favourite superhero (though I like The Hulk too).

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  9. I said he's unavoidably silly (which he is) and that if you wanted to make a film that is recognisably about Batman, the essential components are unavoidably silly (which they are).

    What's incredibly hilarious about this entire diatribe is your assertion that a comic book character is silly. Your later statement about silliness equating to a one-dimensional character however, is blatantly wrong. The latest round of movies by Nolan have finally included all that was missing from previous versions.

    Batman for example, is finally dark and grim as he should be. He has depth, he is tortured by the loss of his parents, and he lives this dual life carefully. All of these aspects of his character come through forcefully, which is one reason why these films are so popular. Viewers are finally able to identify with this character, because of how realistic he is portrayed.
    His growth as a person continues from one movie to the next, much like people normally grow as they walk through life. This further enhances his reliability as a character.
    I think the problem you're experiencing is that of suspension of belief. The fact is that the world Batman lives in allows for the silliness, whereas our own does not. You cannot apply the rules of real society to Batman's world and expect a believable result. But using the rules inherent in comic book stories, the world of Batman is supremely depicted, with each character showing a great deal of depth.

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  10. You cannot apply the rules of real society to Batman's world and expect a believable result.

    This seems to undo the rest of your own comment, particularly this:

    ...because of how realistic he is portrayed...

    Nolan's Batman may well be 'finally dark and grim' (so was Burton's), but he still dresses as a bat to fight street thugs. If that isn't FUNDAMENTALLY SILLY, then I don't know what is.

    That's been the whole point of my 'diatribe': that no amount of dressing can take that essential silliness away - because once you do, it isn't a Batman film.

    It's not enough, I'm afraid, to simply talk of Batman's 'psychological depth' or how 'realistic' he's portrayed in Nolan's films without addressing that core argument.

    This in particular falls short of proper analysis:

    He has depth, he is tortured by the loss of his parents, and he lives this dual life carefully.

    A DUAL LIFE! TORTURED BY THE LOSS OF HIS PARENTS!

    = 'DEPTH'!!!

    None of those elements are missing from Burton's films. Schumacher's films either, for that matter.

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  11. You're just another douche bag that uses big words. If you are so fucking intelligent why aren't you the one making millions of dollars? Instead you're sitting here trying to bash someones work to make your self feel better. I've never read such a piece of shit in my life.

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